1 00:00:16,621 --> 00:00:20,040 7-Adam-15, we're code 6 at the 911 call location. 2 00:00:20,041 --> 00:00:22,057 Any further contact from the distressed individual? 3 00:00:22,082 --> 00:00:23,085 Negative. 4 00:00:23,086 --> 00:00:24,628 Do you want me to start additional units? 5 00:00:24,629 --> 00:00:27,422 Uh, no. Give us a minute to scope it out first. 6 00:00:27,423 --> 00:00:29,550 - You ready? - Do I have a choice? 7 00:00:29,551 --> 00:00:30,843 That's the spirit. 8 00:00:38,226 --> 00:00:39,685 LAPD. 9 00:00:39,686 --> 00:00:41,645 We've received a distress call from this location. 10 00:00:41,646 --> 00:00:44,231 We are making entry. 11 00:00:46,234 --> 00:00:47,734 Ooh. 12 00:00:51,072 --> 00:00:53,448 Oh. Do you feel that? 13 00:00:53,449 --> 00:00:54,449 Feel what? 14 00:00:54,450 --> 00:00:56,618 Ah, something evil's in here. 15 00:00:56,619 --> 00:00:58,413 Well, sure smells like it. 16 00:01:06,045 --> 00:01:09,673 I can't die. 17 00:01:09,674 --> 00:01:14,136 Won't let me die. 18 00:01:14,137 --> 00:01:16,597 Police. Show yourself. 19 00:01:19,142 --> 00:01:21,727 I can't die. It's inside of me. 20 00:01:21,728 --> 00:01:24,104 - It won't let me die. - Don't touch that, all right? 21 00:01:24,105 --> 00:01:25,772 Just... call this in. Call it in. 22 00:01:25,773 --> 00:01:28,025 I need an RA to my location for a stabbing victim. 23 00:01:28,026 --> 00:01:29,609 So I usually sit right next to camera 24 00:01:29,610 --> 00:01:30,861 to keep the eyeline tight. 25 00:01:30,862 --> 00:01:32,529 Then I'll just sit on the other side. 26 00:01:32,530 --> 00:01:33,864 No, because then you'll split his look. 27 00:01:33,865 --> 00:01:35,866 - I don't think it matters. - Oh, hey. Hi. 28 00:01:35,867 --> 00:01:37,701 Thanks... thanks again for sitting down with me. 29 00:01:37,702 --> 00:01:40,329 - Us. - What? Oh, right, us. 30 00:01:40,330 --> 00:01:42,497 Uh, why are you filming? 31 00:01:42,498 --> 00:01:44,166 Oh, I just wanted to document the new partnership. 32 00:01:44,167 --> 00:01:45,834 Abigail was very excited. 33 00:01:45,835 --> 00:01:47,711 - It's not a partnership. - It's totally a partnership. 34 00:01:47,712 --> 00:01:49,921 - The judge was very clear. - The judge? 35 00:01:49,922 --> 00:01:51,298 My name is Abigail Tierney. 36 00:01:51,299 --> 00:01:53,342 I'm currently trapped inside a secret lab 37 00:01:53,343 --> 00:01:54,718 at Westview Psychiatric. 38 00:01:54,719 --> 00:01:57,017 All attempts at escape have proven fruitless. 39 00:01:57,042 --> 00:01:59,639 I may have inadvertently used some of Abigail's footage 40 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:02,601 in my last documentary without gaining the proper permissions. 41 00:02:02,602 --> 00:02:05,812 Translation, he stole my intellectual property, 42 00:02:05,813 --> 00:02:08,045 I sued, and the judge gave him a choice... 43 00:02:08,070 --> 00:02:10,359 pay me 200 thou in damages or give me equal partnership 44 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:11,438 in his next project. 45 00:02:11,463 --> 00:02:13,236 He never said equal, but you know what? 46 00:02:13,237 --> 00:02:14,392 Never mind. 47 00:02:14,417 --> 00:02:16,782 Let's focus on the story that we're here to tell. 48 00:02:16,783 --> 00:02:18,076 Have a seat. 49 00:02:19,494 --> 00:02:21,870 Perhaps the most shocking case of murder 50 00:02:21,871 --> 00:02:23,455 and mayhem we've ever seen. 51 00:02:23,456 --> 00:02:24,831 Would you say that's a fair assessment? 52 00:02:24,832 --> 00:02:26,667 Um... 53 00:02:26,668 --> 00:02:28,293 No, no, stay... stay back. Stay back. Stay back. 54 00:02:28,294 --> 00:02:29,628 - You don't understand. - OK, relax. 55 00:02:29,629 --> 00:02:31,963 OK, we're trying to help you. Who stabbed you? 56 00:02:31,964 --> 00:02:33,965 I stabbed myself. 57 00:02:33,966 --> 00:02:36,718 It's inside of me. I've tried everything else. 58 00:02:36,719 --> 00:02:37,928 I can't kill it. 59 00:02:37,929 --> 00:02:40,555 I can't die. See? 60 00:02:40,556 --> 00:02:42,140 No, don't pull that... don't pull it out! 61 00:02:42,141 --> 00:02:43,434 Oh, God. 62 00:02:45,853 --> 00:02:47,104 Oh, he died instantly. 63 00:02:47,105 --> 00:02:49,523 I mean, the wound was fatal. 64 00:02:49,524 --> 00:02:52,401 You can't stab yourself in the heart and survive. 65 00:02:52,402 --> 00:02:55,612 But the way the knife was lodged, 66 00:02:55,613 --> 00:02:56,696 he wasn't bleeding. 67 00:02:56,697 --> 00:02:58,448 Once he pulled it out... 68 00:02:58,449 --> 00:03:01,076 - It was blood fountain city. - Not exactly, but... 69 00:03:01,077 --> 00:03:03,286 As shocking as that was, it was far from 70 00:03:03,287 --> 00:03:04,913 the most shocking thing you found. 71 00:03:04,914 --> 00:03:06,248 Oh, we should get him to say that 72 00:03:06,249 --> 00:03:07,749 to set up the opening credits. 73 00:03:07,750 --> 00:03:09,501 That's not... we... we don't put words 74 00:03:09,502 --> 00:03:11,254 in people's mouths. It's a documentary. 75 00:03:13,673 --> 00:03:16,842 Yeah, it was, uh, straight-up crazy. 76 00:03:18,219 --> 00:03:20,095 - You don't think... - There's a body in there. 77 00:03:21,848 --> 00:03:23,056 May have finally found it. 78 00:03:24,976 --> 00:03:26,309 Please don't kill us. 79 00:03:26,310 --> 00:03:28,019 We will join your cult. 80 00:03:28,020 --> 00:03:29,771 - Oh. - Oh, God. 81 00:03:29,772 --> 00:03:32,149 You arrived on scene as the sergeant's supervisor? 82 00:03:32,150 --> 00:03:33,442 Yes. 83 00:03:33,443 --> 00:03:35,569 I got there before the ambulance, 84 00:03:35,570 --> 00:03:37,446 not that there was any aid they could have rendered. 85 00:03:37,447 --> 00:03:38,989 Is there a reason you didn't want us 86 00:03:38,990 --> 00:03:40,490 to interview you with Tim? 87 00:03:40,491 --> 00:03:41,658 What? 88 00:03:41,659 --> 00:03:43,243 No. We're just... 89 00:03:43,244 --> 00:03:45,078 just shaking it up. 90 00:03:45,079 --> 00:03:46,455 Let's... let's... let's stay focused. 91 00:03:46,456 --> 00:03:48,248 Were you the first to recognize the victim? 92 00:03:48,249 --> 00:03:50,375 Uh, sort of. 93 00:03:50,376 --> 00:03:53,253 I thought I knew his face, but it wasn't until 94 00:03:53,254 --> 00:03:54,546 we ran his prints that we got a name. 95 00:03:54,547 --> 00:03:57,507 Rich Rowley was retired LAPD. 96 00:03:57,508 --> 00:03:59,468 He had been with the department for 30 years 97 00:03:59,469 --> 00:04:01,052 and was a little bit of a legend, 98 00:04:01,053 --> 00:04:04,347 mostly because he made a series of training videos 99 00:04:04,348 --> 00:04:07,934 from the mid-'90s till his retirement in 2015, 100 00:04:07,935 --> 00:04:11,897 which by modern standards, are a little cringe. 101 00:04:11,898 --> 00:04:13,815 Hey, everybody. Rich Rowley here 102 00:04:13,816 --> 00:04:15,942 with another installment of... 103 00:04:18,028 --> 00:04:20,280 Now, today, we're gonna be talking about 104 00:04:20,281 --> 00:04:22,949 proper cuffing technique. 105 00:04:22,950 --> 00:04:24,075 Excuse me, officer? 106 00:04:24,076 --> 00:04:26,328 I hurt my shoulder at the gym. 107 00:04:26,329 --> 00:04:28,206 Would you mind cuffing me in front? 108 00:04:29,624 --> 00:04:32,667 Pretty lady like you, 109 00:04:32,668 --> 00:04:34,753 what's the worst that could happen? 110 00:04:36,589 --> 00:04:39,466 - Thank you. - You're welcome. 111 00:04:41,886 --> 00:04:43,386 Rich was a trip. 112 00:04:43,387 --> 00:04:46,389 The life of the party, at least early in his career. 113 00:04:46,390 --> 00:04:48,141 Then as the years went on, 114 00:04:48,142 --> 00:04:51,853 he became a little, uh, crazy. 115 00:04:51,854 --> 00:04:53,271 Crazy how? 116 00:04:53,272 --> 00:04:55,190 He was deep into conspiracy theories. 117 00:04:55,191 --> 00:04:58,860 He had a real thing for cults and cabals. 118 00:04:58,861 --> 00:05:01,238 To be fair, Los Angeles does have a pretty dark history. 119 00:05:01,239 --> 00:05:03,824 But Rich took it to the next level, 120 00:05:03,825 --> 00:05:05,242 and his training videos got more 121 00:05:05,243 --> 00:05:06,437 and more intense because of it. 122 00:05:06,461 --> 00:05:08,370 We finally got around to updating the videos 123 00:05:08,371 --> 00:05:11,289 this last year, but that caused quite a controversy 124 00:05:11,290 --> 00:05:12,707 with some of the older officers. 125 00:05:12,708 --> 00:05:15,085 They said we were being insensitive. 126 00:05:15,086 --> 00:05:17,671 Why would updating training videos be insensitive? 127 00:05:17,672 --> 00:05:20,215 Even three years on, a lot of his friends 128 00:05:20,216 --> 00:05:22,634 were still mourning his death and saw the videos as a way 129 00:05:22,635 --> 00:05:25,011 - to keep his memory alive. - I'm sorry. 130 00:05:25,012 --> 00:05:26,304 I thought Rich died six months ago. 131 00:05:26,305 --> 00:05:28,306 - Yeah. - He did. 132 00:05:28,307 --> 00:05:29,724 I'm talking about the first time. 133 00:05:29,725 --> 00:05:31,476 Divers are searching for 134 00:05:31,477 --> 00:05:33,019 any signs of retired 135 00:05:33,020 --> 00:05:36,022 Los Angeles police officer Richard Rowley 136 00:05:36,023 --> 00:05:37,941 after a sailing trip gone wrong. 137 00:05:37,942 --> 00:05:40,443 Coast Guard responded to a distress call 138 00:05:40,444 --> 00:05:42,404 this morning from Rowley's wife, 139 00:05:42,405 --> 00:05:44,698 who says the 55-year-old fell overboard 140 00:05:44,699 --> 00:05:46,700 after the sailboat he was captaining 141 00:05:46,701 --> 00:05:49,661 was struck by a rogue wave. 142 00:05:49,662 --> 00:05:51,830 Any time someone disappears from a boating trip, 143 00:05:51,831 --> 00:05:53,373 it automatically sets off alarm bells. 144 00:05:53,374 --> 00:05:54,476 Why is that? 145 00:05:54,501 --> 00:05:56,835 It's just an ideal place to cover up a crime. 146 00:05:56,836 --> 00:05:58,587 Throw a body overboard, weigh it down, 147 00:05:58,588 --> 00:06:00,463 the likelihood of us recovering it before 148 00:06:00,464 --> 00:06:02,507 it becomes fish food is low. 149 00:06:02,508 --> 00:06:05,014 And circumstances were suspicious. 150 00:06:05,039 --> 00:06:07,512 By all accounts, Rich was a skilled sailor, 151 00:06:07,513 --> 00:06:09,973 it was a calm day, and the only witness to his demise 152 00:06:09,974 --> 00:06:13,184 was Darla Phillips, his on again, off again 153 00:06:13,185 --> 00:06:15,228 girlfriend, who he married five days prior. 154 00:06:15,229 --> 00:06:16,896 So you suspected foul play? 155 00:06:19,609 --> 00:06:21,876 Not necessarily, but we couldn't rule it out. 156 00:06:21,901 --> 00:06:23,695 Why wasn't Rich wearing a life vest? 157 00:06:23,696 --> 00:06:26,677 He never did. He was a strong swimmer. 158 00:06:26,702 --> 00:06:29,159 He must have hit his head when he fell. 159 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:30,911 Why didn't you jump in after him? 160 00:06:30,912 --> 00:06:33,117 - I'm scared of dark water. - Dark water? 161 00:06:33,142 --> 00:06:35,915 Water you can't see the bottom of. 162 00:06:35,916 --> 00:06:38,001 Just blackness 163 00:06:38,002 --> 00:06:40,337 with God knows what lurking below. 164 00:06:40,338 --> 00:06:42,923 You stand to inherit Rich's entire police pension. 165 00:06:42,924 --> 00:06:44,341 That's quite a bit of money. 166 00:06:44,342 --> 00:06:46,259 How dare you? 167 00:06:46,260 --> 00:06:50,639 I just watched the love of my life die in front of me. 168 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:52,557 We don't know that for sure yet. 169 00:06:52,558 --> 00:06:54,684 They haven't found his body. 170 00:06:54,685 --> 00:06:58,813 Unless you know more that you're not telling us. 171 00:06:58,814 --> 00:07:00,565 Go to hell! 172 00:07:00,566 --> 00:07:01,981 This interview is over. 173 00:07:02,006 --> 00:07:04,667 Did it ever occur to you that Rich might still be alive? 174 00:07:04,692 --> 00:07:06,454 As we said, we couldn't rule anything out, 175 00:07:06,479 --> 00:07:10,019 but there was no evidence that he'd faked his death. 176 00:07:10,044 --> 00:07:11,868 Until he turned up dead again. 177 00:07:11,869 --> 00:07:14,454 Needless to say, we had a few more questions for Darla. 178 00:07:14,455 --> 00:07:16,831 Helping someone fake their death isn't a crime. 179 00:07:16,832 --> 00:07:18,249 - I checked. - You're right, 180 00:07:18,250 --> 00:07:20,043 but profiting off of that death, 181 00:07:20,044 --> 00:07:21,878 collecting Rich's pension and his life insurance, 182 00:07:21,879 --> 00:07:23,641 that's fraud. 183 00:07:23,668 --> 00:07:26,132 Not to mention the resources that were wasted 184 00:07:26,133 --> 00:07:27,384 trying to recover his body. 185 00:07:27,385 --> 00:07:29,928 You could be facing some serious charges. 186 00:07:29,929 --> 00:07:32,180 So tell us. 187 00:07:32,181 --> 00:07:34,100 Why did Rich want to fake his death? 188 00:07:35,434 --> 00:07:39,354 After Rich retired, he kind of fell apart. 189 00:07:39,355 --> 00:07:43,274 His drinking got worse, and his paranoia. 190 00:07:43,275 --> 00:07:45,777 He was always a little intense, 191 00:07:45,778 --> 00:07:48,005 but it started to get scary. 192 00:07:48,030 --> 00:07:51,445 He covered all his windows with newspapers, 193 00:07:51,470 --> 00:07:55,245 started writing down the license plates of passing cars. 194 00:07:55,246 --> 00:07:57,163 What was he so afraid of? 195 00:07:57,164 --> 00:07:59,916 He said there was this group, like, 196 00:07:59,917 --> 00:08:04,821 a secret society of dangerous and powerful people. 197 00:08:04,846 --> 00:08:06,965 He'd been on to them for years. 198 00:08:06,966 --> 00:08:08,758 He said that they found out about him, 199 00:08:08,759 --> 00:08:10,927 that he was in danger because of it. 200 00:08:10,928 --> 00:08:13,888 It was too much for me, so I broke up with him. 201 00:08:13,889 --> 00:08:17,682 And then a year later, he showed up on my doorstep 202 00:08:17,682 --> 00:08:20,810 and asked me to help him fake his death 203 00:08:20,811 --> 00:08:23,395 in return for his pension. 204 00:08:23,396 --> 00:08:24,897 I needed the money. 205 00:08:24,898 --> 00:08:27,775 So we got married, and we did the deed, 206 00:08:27,776 --> 00:08:29,735 and I never saw him again. 207 00:08:29,736 --> 00:08:33,656 So you have no idea why there was a coffin in his garage? 208 00:08:33,657 --> 00:08:35,156 We'll probably hold this piece of the puzzle 209 00:08:35,157 --> 00:08:36,909 until the end of the first act, you know, 210 00:08:36,910 --> 00:08:38,117 hit the audience with a twist when 211 00:08:38,118 --> 00:08:40,120 - it's dramatically expedient. - Yeah. 212 00:08:40,121 --> 00:08:41,288 Seems manipulative. 213 00:08:41,289 --> 00:08:42,790 All good storytelling is, so. 214 00:08:42,791 --> 00:08:45,417 Just tell us about finding the coffin. 215 00:08:45,418 --> 00:08:49,296 So once I arrived, and we secured the crime scene, 216 00:08:49,297 --> 00:08:51,090 we cleared the rest of the house, 217 00:08:51,091 --> 00:08:52,491 and then we moved on to the garage. 218 00:08:56,429 --> 00:08:57,429 Oh. 219 00:08:57,430 --> 00:08:59,348 Oh, you don't think there's... 220 00:08:59,349 --> 00:09:02,643 That there's a body in there? I absolutely do. 221 00:09:02,644 --> 00:09:06,272 OK, are we gonna open it? 'Cause I don't wanna open it. 222 00:09:06,273 --> 00:09:07,731 What do you think? 223 00:09:07,732 --> 00:09:10,109 I mean, it's clearly been dug up. 224 00:09:10,110 --> 00:09:12,278 Given the state of the coffin, it's clearly been 225 00:09:12,279 --> 00:09:13,737 underground for a few years. 226 00:09:13,738 --> 00:09:16,490 If there is a body in there, it's likely long dead. 227 00:09:16,491 --> 00:09:19,118 - Unless... - Unless what? 228 00:09:19,119 --> 00:09:22,079 Unless he put a fresh victim in an old coffin. 229 00:09:24,541 --> 00:09:26,458 OK, got it. 230 00:09:26,459 --> 00:09:27,877 - Got it? - Yep. 231 00:09:27,878 --> 00:09:30,045 Oh. Oh, God. 232 00:09:36,087 --> 00:09:38,721 The body belonged to a 54-year-old truck driver 233 00:09:38,722 --> 00:09:40,723 named Marcus Ford, 234 00:09:40,724 --> 00:09:42,558 who was the victim of an unsolved homicide 235 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:44,143 back in 2020. 236 00:09:44,144 --> 00:09:45,185 How was he killed? 237 00:09:45,186 --> 00:09:47,187 Uh, he was stabbed in the heart. 238 00:09:47,188 --> 00:09:49,356 Just like Rich. 239 00:09:49,357 --> 00:09:51,984 Wait, Rich murdered Marcus Ford. 240 00:09:51,985 --> 00:09:53,944 - Did I just solve the case? - No. 241 00:09:53,945 --> 00:09:57,823 We were able to alibi Rich out. 242 00:09:57,824 --> 00:10:00,075 He was hospitalized with double pneumonia the day Marcus died. 243 00:10:00,076 --> 00:10:02,286 Medical records say he was so weak that, 244 00:10:02,287 --> 00:10:03,954 uh, he could barely get out of bed. 245 00:10:03,955 --> 00:10:05,497 Or that's what he wanted you to think. 246 00:10:05,498 --> 00:10:06,790 Moving on. 247 00:10:06,791 --> 00:10:08,167 Digging up a body's no easy task. 248 00:10:08,168 --> 00:10:09,877 Why would Rich go to all that trouble? 249 00:10:09,878 --> 00:10:12,212 Initially, we thought it was simply 250 00:10:12,213 --> 00:10:15,633 the demented act of a clearly disturbed mind, 251 00:10:15,634 --> 00:10:17,468 and in some ways, it was. 252 00:10:17,469 --> 00:10:19,970 But then we found the tattoo. 253 00:10:19,971 --> 00:10:21,805 At first, it was a little bit difficult 254 00:10:21,806 --> 00:10:23,724 to make out exactly what it was. 255 00:10:23,725 --> 00:10:27,144 A half a decade of decomp does a number on the skin. 256 00:10:27,145 --> 00:10:29,730 But when we look back at the case file, 257 00:10:29,731 --> 00:10:32,107 there was a photo of it taken during the original autopsy. 258 00:10:32,108 --> 00:10:33,484 That's actually kind of sick. 259 00:10:33,485 --> 00:10:35,611 I wonder if there's a way to track down the artist. 260 00:10:35,612 --> 00:10:36,779 I've been meaning to start the sleeve 261 00:10:36,780 --> 00:10:38,656 on my other arm, like a... 262 00:10:38,657 --> 00:10:40,157 To my collaborator's point, 263 00:10:40,158 --> 00:10:42,242 lots of people have tattoos. 264 00:10:42,243 --> 00:10:44,536 What was it about this one that jumped out at you? 265 00:10:44,537 --> 00:10:47,790 Well, something about it was familiar to both of us, 266 00:10:47,791 --> 00:10:49,625 but we couldn't place it. 267 00:10:49,626 --> 00:10:53,087 So we started asking around, and the answer couldn't come 268 00:10:53,088 --> 00:10:56,006 from a more unlikely place. 269 00:10:56,007 --> 00:10:57,883 I watched the Rich Rowley training videos 270 00:10:57,884 --> 00:11:00,344 more than any person alive, 271 00:11:00,345 --> 00:11:03,889 so I recognized the symbol immediately. 272 00:11:03,890 --> 00:11:06,100 Sometimes, citizens panic when 273 00:11:06,101 --> 00:11:08,769 they can't get in touch with their friends or loved ones. 274 00:11:08,770 --> 00:11:10,813 That is why we always advise the public 275 00:11:10,814 --> 00:11:14,233 to wait 24 hours before reporting someone missing. 276 00:11:14,234 --> 00:11:16,193 While most missing person reports stem 277 00:11:16,194 --> 00:11:17,903 from a lapse in communication, 278 00:11:17,904 --> 00:11:19,780 every once in a while, you'll encounter 279 00:11:19,781 --> 00:11:22,366 a true, workable case. 280 00:11:22,367 --> 00:11:25,160 Officer, help. My sister is missing. 281 00:11:25,161 --> 00:11:26,620 When's the last time you saw her? 282 00:11:26,621 --> 00:11:28,288 Last night at the bar. 283 00:11:28,289 --> 00:11:30,666 Her boyfriend said she never made it home. 284 00:11:30,667 --> 00:11:34,503 You always wanna take a report like this one seriously. 285 00:11:34,504 --> 00:11:37,089 So Rich hid the same symbol in his training videos 286 00:11:37,090 --> 00:11:39,466 that was tattooed on the body of a murder victim. 287 00:11:39,467 --> 00:11:41,677 What did you think that meant? 288 00:11:41,678 --> 00:11:43,430 Uh, I don't know. 289 00:11:43,455 --> 00:11:44,680 I can't believe I'm saying this, 290 00:11:44,681 --> 00:11:45,889 but Smitty was right. 291 00:11:45,890 --> 00:11:47,891 In lesson 187, the tattoo symbol 292 00:11:47,892 --> 00:11:49,768 was hidden in the background, 293 00:11:49,769 --> 00:11:51,478 although the instructions 294 00:11:51,479 --> 00:11:53,772 to wait 24 hours before reporting a missing person 295 00:11:53,773 --> 00:11:55,691 are wildly outdated. 296 00:11:55,692 --> 00:11:57,443 Anyways, it got me thinking. 297 00:11:57,444 --> 00:12:00,612 What if Rich put messages in other videos? 298 00:12:00,613 --> 00:12:01,864 What kind of messages? 299 00:12:01,865 --> 00:12:03,323 I'm not totally sure yet. 300 00:12:03,324 --> 00:12:05,367 I binged every single Rich training video 301 00:12:05,368 --> 00:12:06,368 I could get my hands on. 302 00:12:06,369 --> 00:12:07,911 Yeah, it's been a fun few nights. 303 00:12:07,912 --> 00:12:09,830 And I did find a few other possible leads, 304 00:12:09,831 --> 00:12:11,165 but there's a problem. 305 00:12:11,166 --> 00:12:12,458 The department's archive is incomplete, 306 00:12:12,459 --> 00:12:13,876 and without all of the videos, 307 00:12:13,877 --> 00:12:15,043 I can't be sure that I'm not missing 308 00:12:15,044 --> 00:12:16,462 a vital piece of information. 309 00:12:16,463 --> 00:12:18,338 So what happened to the missing videos? 310 00:12:18,339 --> 00:12:20,507 So when the training topics and the videos 311 00:12:20,508 --> 00:12:24,136 become outdated because of new laws or protocols, 312 00:12:24,137 --> 00:12:25,846 the department has to make new ones, 313 00:12:25,847 --> 00:12:28,307 and obsolete videos are supposed to be digitized 314 00:12:28,308 --> 00:12:31,518 and archived for historical record. 315 00:12:31,519 --> 00:12:33,896 But Rich's were just gone. 316 00:12:33,897 --> 00:12:35,522 Gone as in destroyed? 317 00:12:35,523 --> 00:12:38,150 - Like a cover-up? - No one's saying that. 318 00:12:38,151 --> 00:12:40,360 Most likely, it was a human error. 319 00:12:40,361 --> 00:12:42,988 You know, someone got lazy, didn't archive them. 320 00:12:42,989 --> 00:12:44,823 I tried reaching out to the production company 321 00:12:44,824 --> 00:12:47,993 that made the videos to see if they had any copies left. 322 00:12:47,994 --> 00:12:51,038 Bad news is they went out of business a few years back 323 00:12:51,039 --> 00:12:52,915 and auctioned off all their equipment. 324 00:12:52,916 --> 00:12:55,000 What's the good news? 325 00:12:55,001 --> 00:12:58,295 Well, I managed to track down the auction logs, 326 00:12:58,296 --> 00:13:00,297 and I actually know the person who purchased 327 00:13:00,298 --> 00:13:02,758 the studio's old hard drives. 328 00:13:02,759 --> 00:13:06,011 Careful, I'm very ticklish, like the Pillsbury Doughboy. 329 00:13:06,012 --> 00:13:07,012 Same. 330 00:13:07,013 --> 00:13:09,056 I hear it's a sign of intelligence. 331 00:13:09,057 --> 00:13:10,349 - Is that a fact? - Yep. 332 00:13:10,350 --> 00:13:12,976 Then I am smart as the dickens. 333 00:13:12,977 --> 00:13:14,728 So you purchased hard drives 334 00:13:14,729 --> 00:13:16,563 from Speak Now Studios? 335 00:13:16,564 --> 00:13:18,649 Yeah. Dropout was still in its infancy. 336 00:13:18,650 --> 00:13:20,943 I was building the company from the ground up. 337 00:13:20,944 --> 00:13:23,195 We had to be smart about how we were spending our money. 338 00:13:23,196 --> 00:13:25,864 We bought a huge amount of equipment secondhand... 339 00:13:25,865 --> 00:13:27,783 hard drives, cameras, wigs. 340 00:13:27,784 --> 00:13:30,828 Wait, you bought second-hand wigs? 341 00:13:30,829 --> 00:13:32,120 Give them a little shake before we put them on. 342 00:13:32,121 --> 00:13:33,580 That's awesome. 343 00:13:33,581 --> 00:13:34,832 Do you still have that wig connect? 344 00:13:34,833 --> 00:13:37,459 'Cause I'd love a referral. My guy is... 345 00:13:37,460 --> 00:13:39,336 Back on track. 346 00:13:39,337 --> 00:13:41,588 The hard drives you bought contain police training videos. 347 00:13:41,589 --> 00:13:43,173 Did you happen to watch any of them? 348 00:13:43,174 --> 00:13:45,175 Of course. Rich Rowley, right? 349 00:13:45,176 --> 00:13:47,177 We were obsessed with those videos. 350 00:13:47,178 --> 00:13:49,888 We probably watched them, like, a dozen times. 351 00:13:49,889 --> 00:13:52,558 I'm Rich Rowley, and this is "Survive the Streets." 352 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:54,184 Oh, that's great. 353 00:13:54,185 --> 00:13:55,561 Vic can do the best impression. 354 00:13:55,562 --> 00:13:57,479 Do you think you'd be able to make copies for us? 355 00:13:57,480 --> 00:13:59,857 I totally would, 356 00:13:59,858 --> 00:14:01,149 but I can't because 357 00:14:01,150 --> 00:14:02,860 we wiped all of those hard drives 358 00:14:02,861 --> 00:14:04,444 to use as servers months ago. 359 00:14:04,445 --> 00:14:06,321 Sorry I couldn't be of more help. 360 00:14:06,322 --> 00:14:10,158 You'll still feature this interview, right? 361 00:14:10,159 --> 00:14:11,743 - Yeah. - Yeah, probably not. 362 00:14:11,744 --> 00:14:13,537 Wait, you said you and the Dropout crew 363 00:14:13,538 --> 00:14:16,290 watched the video, like, dozens of times, right? 364 00:14:16,291 --> 00:14:18,417 Yes, sometimes on an edible, mostly sober. 365 00:14:18,418 --> 00:14:20,335 I have an idea. 366 00:14:20,336 --> 00:14:21,795 OK, so then he'd be like, don't forget to check 367 00:14:21,796 --> 00:14:23,297 the closet or you'll die. So I don't know. 368 00:14:23,298 --> 00:14:25,007 I think it's a little bit more like, 369 00:14:25,008 --> 00:14:26,800 like, if you forget to check the closet, 370 00:14:26,801 --> 00:14:29,511 Freddy, Jason, and Chucky will rip off your scrote! 371 00:14:29,512 --> 00:14:31,263 OK, I think there's less foot stuff. 372 00:14:31,264 --> 00:14:32,848 I feel like he's like... 373 00:14:32,849 --> 00:14:34,850 and then your crazy methy ex-girlfriend 374 00:14:34,851 --> 00:14:37,060 who's been hiding in the hallway closet 375 00:14:37,061 --> 00:14:38,937 will chainsaw your face when you get home 376 00:14:38,938 --> 00:14:40,814 because you forgot to clear the room! 377 00:14:40,815 --> 00:14:41,815 - Clear the room! - Clear the room! 378 00:14:41,816 --> 00:14:43,400 Check the room. 379 00:14:43,401 --> 00:14:45,360 I think he was so close to pulling out his gun... 380 00:14:45,361 --> 00:14:47,112 - What are you guys doing? - That's a great question. 381 00:14:47,113 --> 00:14:48,739 They're reenacting the police training videos 382 00:14:48,740 --> 00:14:50,073 since you guys wiped them off your hard drive. 383 00:14:50,074 --> 00:14:51,742 Oh, the Rich Rowley ones. 384 00:14:51,743 --> 00:14:53,243 - Those are so funny. - Right. 385 00:14:53,244 --> 00:14:54,745 I actually stole one of the hard drives 386 00:14:54,746 --> 00:14:55,954 so I could watch it when I'm in the tub. 387 00:14:55,955 --> 00:14:57,122 You talking about your tub again? 388 00:14:57,123 --> 00:14:58,290 - Say what? - A little self-care. 389 00:14:58,291 --> 00:15:00,042 You know, trying to relax a little more. 390 00:15:00,043 --> 00:15:02,127 - It's not working. - Can we have it? 391 00:15:02,128 --> 00:15:03,754 If you want to borrow it, I could, you know. 392 00:15:03,755 --> 00:15:05,214 No, I think this is actually working great. 393 00:15:05,215 --> 00:15:07,537 - I mean, you could. OK. - Keep this up. 394 00:15:07,562 --> 00:15:08,592 - Riffing. - Clearing the room. 395 00:15:08,593 --> 00:15:09,927 Help us. 396 00:15:09,928 --> 00:15:11,178 OK, I finally finished watching 397 00:15:11,179 --> 00:15:12,763 all of the Rich training videos, 398 00:15:12,764 --> 00:15:14,222 and there is a lot. 399 00:15:14,223 --> 00:15:17,309 Um, take lesson 277... 400 00:15:20,563 --> 00:15:22,314 My azaleas! 401 00:15:22,315 --> 00:15:25,943 A cold case where victim Azalea Robinson was found 402 00:15:25,944 --> 00:15:27,778 stabbed near a ski resort. 403 00:15:27,779 --> 00:15:29,154 - You're kidding. - No. 404 00:15:29,155 --> 00:15:32,157 And in lesson 290, Rich is holding a folder 405 00:15:32,158 --> 00:15:33,951 with a Post-It note on the back with a brown star 406 00:15:33,952 --> 00:15:35,285 - drawn on it. - I'm lost. 407 00:15:35,286 --> 00:15:38,038 Right, so I looked up the cold cases 408 00:15:38,039 --> 00:15:39,748 to see if there were any victims with names 409 00:15:39,749 --> 00:15:41,667 like Star or Stella, 410 00:15:41,668 --> 00:15:43,168 and there was one hit, 411 00:15:43,169 --> 00:15:44,670 Stella Brown, 412 00:15:44,671 --> 00:15:46,964 also found stabbed in the chest. 413 00:15:46,965 --> 00:15:48,924 In all, Lucy found clues pointing 414 00:15:48,925 --> 00:15:51,343 to seven different cold cases. 415 00:15:51,344 --> 00:15:53,345 But why was Rich hiding the names of murder victims 416 00:15:53,346 --> 00:15:55,180 in police training videos? 417 00:15:55,181 --> 00:15:56,431 Based on what we could piece together, 418 00:15:56,432 --> 00:15:58,725 he believed he had stumbled upon a conspiracy... 419 00:15:58,726 --> 00:16:01,061 a series of connected murders committed by person 420 00:16:01,062 --> 00:16:02,688 or persons unknown. 421 00:16:02,689 --> 00:16:04,481 If that were the case, why not just report 422 00:16:04,482 --> 00:16:06,858 his suspicion? He was a cop for 30 years. 423 00:16:06,859 --> 00:16:09,361 Well, Rich had a bit of a reputation 424 00:16:09,362 --> 00:16:13,907 within the department for, shall we say, magical thinking. 425 00:16:13,908 --> 00:16:17,744 So unfortunately, his theory was dismissed out of hand. 426 00:16:17,745 --> 00:16:19,705 But why did he think the murders were connected? 427 00:16:19,706 --> 00:16:21,206 Well, for starters, they were all stabbed 428 00:16:21,207 --> 00:16:23,333 in the chest, but more importantly, 429 00:16:23,334 --> 00:16:24,960 each victim was found with a penny 430 00:16:24,961 --> 00:16:26,420 either in or on their person. 431 00:16:26,421 --> 00:16:27,754 What do you mean "in"? 432 00:16:27,755 --> 00:16:29,881 One had a penny in her stomach. 433 00:16:29,882 --> 00:16:32,050 Another had one shoved up his nose. 434 00:16:32,051 --> 00:16:33,385 Stella Brown lucked out. 435 00:16:33,386 --> 00:16:35,303 Hers was just clasped in her hand. 436 00:16:35,304 --> 00:16:37,806 And when we re-examined Marcus Ford's corpse, 437 00:16:37,807 --> 00:16:41,184 the ME found one inserted into the heel of his left foot. 438 00:16:41,185 --> 00:16:42,894 Why? 439 00:16:42,895 --> 00:16:45,188 Did we mention that they were all minted in 1930? 440 00:16:45,189 --> 00:16:47,441 OK. Well, I just got goosebumps. 441 00:16:47,442 --> 00:16:49,651 Rich's autopsy also revealed that he had swallowed 442 00:16:49,652 --> 00:16:51,778 close to 50 pennies before he died. 443 00:16:51,779 --> 00:16:53,030 Gross. 444 00:16:53,031 --> 00:16:54,740 So at this point, was your theory... 445 00:16:54,741 --> 00:16:56,616 I actually have no idea what their theory would have been. 446 00:16:56,617 --> 00:16:59,286 Yeah, well, I would tell you, but we were way off the mark, 447 00:16:59,287 --> 00:17:01,496 which we were about to discover 448 00:17:01,497 --> 00:17:04,291 when we got access to his cloud account. 449 00:17:04,292 --> 00:17:06,917 OK. 450 00:17:06,918 --> 00:17:09,503 I may have finally found it. 451 00:17:09,504 --> 00:17:12,257 I am so close to getting some real answers. 452 00:17:14,469 --> 00:17:16,596 See that? 453 00:17:30,401 --> 00:17:32,903 Oh, whoa. 454 00:17:32,904 --> 00:17:33,904 Ha! 455 00:17:35,907 --> 00:17:37,949 Oh, my God. No! No. 456 00:17:40,495 --> 00:17:42,913 For a guy pretending to be dead, 457 00:17:42,914 --> 00:17:44,790 breaking into a secure military facility 458 00:17:44,791 --> 00:17:46,833 doesn't seem like the best idea. 459 00:17:46,834 --> 00:17:50,504 Well, he wasn't just breaking into any military facility. 460 00:17:50,505 --> 00:17:51,963 It was Area 67. 461 00:17:51,964 --> 00:17:53,256 What does that mean? 462 00:17:53,257 --> 00:17:55,967 That's where the government keeps the aliens. 463 00:18:02,809 --> 00:18:04,875 So Rich broke into a secret government base 464 00:18:04,900 --> 00:18:06,978 on the hunt for a massive conspiracy, 465 00:18:06,979 --> 00:18:08,480 then stabbed himself in the chest? 466 00:18:08,481 --> 00:18:10,065 I mean, at that point, it's obvious what happened. 467 00:18:10,066 --> 00:18:11,983 - Is it? - Come on. 468 00:18:11,984 --> 00:18:14,069 Remember what Rich said right before he died? 469 00:18:14,070 --> 00:18:15,561 I can't die. 470 00:18:15,586 --> 00:18:16,613 It's inside of me. 471 00:18:16,614 --> 00:18:18,365 It won't let me die. 472 00:18:18,366 --> 00:18:19,783 Yeah, I'm not following. 473 00:18:19,784 --> 00:18:22,536 Rich was exposed to an alien parasite. 474 00:18:22,537 --> 00:18:25,080 It was inside him. 475 00:18:25,081 --> 00:18:27,624 Were you familiar with Area 67? 476 00:18:27,625 --> 00:18:29,417 I'd heard of it. Yeah. 477 00:18:29,418 --> 00:18:32,129 There's this AM radio station I used to listen to 478 00:18:32,130 --> 00:18:33,755 back in Foxburg. 479 00:18:33,756 --> 00:18:35,382 Kept me awake when I was working late. 480 00:18:35,383 --> 00:18:38,218 The host was obsessed with UFOs. 481 00:18:38,219 --> 00:18:40,429 - "Val's Velvet Bunker"? - That's the one. 482 00:18:40,430 --> 00:18:43,723 He was a little bit out there, but always entertaining. 483 00:18:43,724 --> 00:18:47,102 Area 51 is theater. 484 00:18:47,103 --> 00:18:48,812 Do you believe? 485 00:18:48,813 --> 00:18:51,648 Do you really believe the most secretive 486 00:18:51,649 --> 00:18:54,276 military installation in the world would let itself 487 00:18:54,277 --> 00:18:56,278 become a tourist attraction? 488 00:18:56,279 --> 00:18:57,571 No, no, no, no. 489 00:18:57,572 --> 00:19:00,240 Area 51 is the distraction. 490 00:19:00,241 --> 00:19:03,201 Area 67 is the real deal. 491 00:19:03,202 --> 00:19:05,745 You know why California has all those earthquakes? 492 00:19:05,746 --> 00:19:08,498 It's not the San Andreas Fault, my friends. 493 00:19:08,499 --> 00:19:11,668 It's the sonic resonance from Area 67's 494 00:19:11,669 --> 00:19:13,503 underground testing chambers. 495 00:19:13,504 --> 00:19:15,422 Did you believe in his theories? 496 00:19:15,423 --> 00:19:16,840 No, no. 497 00:19:16,841 --> 00:19:18,560 Like I said, just entertainment. 498 00:19:18,585 --> 00:19:19,593 Let's hear from a caller. 499 00:19:19,594 --> 00:19:21,344 Hi, name's John. 500 00:19:21,345 --> 00:19:22,512 Longtime listener, fourth-time caller. 501 00:19:22,513 --> 00:19:25,182 Hey, John from Foxburg. Welcome back. 502 00:19:25,183 --> 00:19:26,308 What have you got for us tonight? 503 00:19:26,309 --> 00:19:28,895 I swear to God I just saw a UFO. 504 00:19:31,189 --> 00:19:34,274 John is such a common name. 505 00:19:34,275 --> 00:19:36,902 I'm open to the possibility of extraterrestrial life. 506 00:19:36,903 --> 00:19:38,195 - You are? - Yeah. 507 00:19:38,196 --> 00:19:39,821 I mean, it's a big universe. 508 00:19:39,822 --> 00:19:41,865 - Anything could be out there. - I don't know. 509 00:19:41,866 --> 00:19:44,701 People who claim to have seen aliens tend to be a little off. 510 00:19:44,702 --> 00:19:46,494 You were friends with a corpse, right? 511 00:19:46,495 --> 00:19:47,871 Well, yeah, we were more than friends, 512 00:19:47,872 --> 00:19:49,498 but fair enough. OK. 513 00:19:49,499 --> 00:19:51,917 Legally, is it necrophilia 514 00:19:51,918 --> 00:19:53,501 if she only did over the clothes stuff? 515 00:19:53,502 --> 00:19:56,004 - That's a great question. - Oh, I definitely believe. 516 00:19:56,005 --> 00:19:57,797 In fact, 517 00:19:57,798 --> 00:20:00,050 I've been abducted by aliens. 518 00:20:00,051 --> 00:20:02,427 - Really? - Multiple times. 519 00:20:02,428 --> 00:20:05,847 Apparently, I'm a fascinating subject. 520 00:20:05,848 --> 00:20:09,059 I remember the last time Smitty was "abducted." 521 00:20:09,060 --> 00:20:10,727 Turns out he partied too hard in Vegas 522 00:20:10,728 --> 00:20:12,354 and woke up in Wisconsin. 523 00:20:12,355 --> 00:20:14,105 Missing time, 524 00:20:14,106 --> 00:20:17,067 one of the hallmarks of alien abductions. 525 00:20:17,068 --> 00:20:19,194 - And binge drinking. - Point is, 526 00:20:19,195 --> 00:20:21,863 the government had little gray men 527 00:20:21,864 --> 00:20:24,282 in their secret labs for decades. 528 00:20:24,283 --> 00:20:26,076 What are they doing with them? 529 00:20:26,077 --> 00:20:28,703 They're implanting the aliens in unsuspecting hosts 530 00:20:28,704 --> 00:20:30,330 and taking over their bodies. 531 00:20:30,331 --> 00:20:33,918 You just never know who might be one of them. 532 00:20:35,545 --> 00:20:38,421 Some people in the station believed Rich stabbed himself 533 00:20:38,422 --> 00:20:40,382 to kill an alien parasite, 534 00:20:40,383 --> 00:20:41,883 but I wouldn't say 535 00:20:41,884 --> 00:20:43,843 that was a dominant theory. 536 00:20:43,844 --> 00:20:45,387 It wasn't long before we figured out 537 00:20:45,388 --> 00:20:47,847 Rich believed something darker, 538 00:20:47,848 --> 00:20:50,267 and it was connected to the seven murders. 539 00:20:50,268 --> 00:20:51,893 Then why did Rich break into the army base? 540 00:20:51,894 --> 00:20:54,521 Yes, I remember the incident. 541 00:20:54,522 --> 00:20:55,981 Rich Rowley cut through a fence. 542 00:20:55,982 --> 00:20:58,149 He trespassed on government property. 543 00:20:58,150 --> 00:21:00,860 He was promptly apprehended and sent on his way. 544 00:21:00,861 --> 00:21:03,405 Do you have any idea what Rich was looking for? 545 00:21:03,406 --> 00:21:06,199 Uh, as it turns out, he was looking for me. 546 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:09,411 But not because of any alleged aliens. 547 00:21:09,412 --> 00:21:11,830 So why did he come? 548 00:21:11,831 --> 00:21:14,791 Uh, this part is a... 549 00:21:14,792 --> 00:21:17,502 is a little bit embarrassing. Um... 550 00:21:17,503 --> 00:21:19,796 before I found my calling in the military, 551 00:21:19,797 --> 00:21:22,549 I thought that I wanted to be an actor, 552 00:21:22,550 --> 00:21:25,510 and I was in a few DTV movies. 553 00:21:25,511 --> 00:21:26,636 What's DTV? 554 00:21:26,637 --> 00:21:27,762 You're so young. 555 00:21:27,763 --> 00:21:29,222 Uh, direct to video. 556 00:21:29,223 --> 00:21:31,558 They made all these super cheap movies 557 00:21:31,559 --> 00:21:33,351 back in the '80s and '90s. 558 00:21:33,352 --> 00:21:34,894 You make them as cheaply as possible 559 00:21:34,895 --> 00:21:36,938 and then hope that someone was drawn in enough 560 00:21:36,939 --> 00:21:39,357 by the cover art to rent them. 561 00:21:39,358 --> 00:21:41,943 - A guy can't have a side gig? - Totally. 562 00:21:41,944 --> 00:21:43,528 How did you get into acting? 563 00:21:43,529 --> 00:21:46,072 Some director scouted me when I pulled him over. 564 00:21:46,073 --> 00:21:48,867 He said I had a bitchin' bod. 565 00:21:48,868 --> 00:21:50,535 Well, he wasn't wrong. 566 00:21:50,536 --> 00:21:53,413 But I gave it up 'cause the people of this city 567 00:21:53,414 --> 00:21:55,498 - needed a savior. - Mm. 568 00:21:55,499 --> 00:21:57,751 Yeah, you are the model of public service. 569 00:21:57,752 --> 00:21:59,586 Right. 570 00:21:59,587 --> 00:22:02,631 Anyway, Rich became interested in this terrible 571 00:22:02,632 --> 00:22:05,842 B movie that I was in. I played a monk. 572 00:22:05,843 --> 00:22:08,386 It was called "300 Days of Hell." 573 00:22:12,642 --> 00:22:14,517 Terrible B movie, that's what he called it? 574 00:22:14,518 --> 00:22:16,895 "300 Days of Hell" is the scariest film of the 1990s. 575 00:22:16,896 --> 00:22:18,480 Really? 576 00:22:18,481 --> 00:22:20,440 "The Ring", "Scream," "Blair Witch Project"? 577 00:22:20,441 --> 00:22:22,400 Which one of us executive produced a horror movie? 578 00:22:22,401 --> 00:22:24,653 Trust me, "THDOH" 579 00:22:24,654 --> 00:22:26,655 is true nightmare fuel. 580 00:22:26,656 --> 00:22:28,740 It's not that scary. 581 00:22:28,741 --> 00:22:31,284 She made me watch it at the beginning of our relationship. 582 00:22:31,285 --> 00:22:34,162 When he was still trying to impress me. 583 00:22:34,163 --> 00:22:36,289 You wanna watch it again tonight? 584 00:22:36,290 --> 00:22:39,042 I would. Totally. 585 00:22:39,043 --> 00:22:42,045 I do have plans, though. 586 00:22:42,046 --> 00:22:43,630 Yeah I'm not watching that crap, 587 00:22:43,631 --> 00:22:45,340 even if it is for a case. 588 00:22:45,341 --> 00:22:47,592 I see enough horror on the job. 589 00:22:47,593 --> 00:22:50,637 That being said, "300 Days of Hell" 590 00:22:50,638 --> 00:22:52,639 was our first real window into the rabbit hole 591 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:54,057 that Rich had gone down. 592 00:22:54,058 --> 00:22:55,600 A rabbit hole filled with demons... 593 00:22:55,601 --> 00:22:58,520 or rather, a demon. 594 00:22:58,521 --> 00:23:00,230 So Rich believed a demon had killed all those people? 595 00:23:00,231 --> 00:23:01,940 No, the killers were definitely human. 596 00:23:01,941 --> 00:23:03,733 - Killers, plural? - Yeah. 597 00:23:03,734 --> 00:23:06,194 There was different trace DNA on all the bodies, 598 00:23:06,195 --> 00:23:08,321 all from different subjects, and none of them 599 00:23:08,322 --> 00:23:10,740 - were in the system. - Meaning? 600 00:23:10,741 --> 00:23:11,991 The murders were committed by a group of people 601 00:23:11,992 --> 00:23:14,077 with shared beliefs. 602 00:23:14,078 --> 00:23:15,286 A murder cult? 603 00:23:15,287 --> 00:23:17,747 The cult believed a demon named Malaphus 604 00:23:17,748 --> 00:23:20,083 had been possessing people all across the city, 605 00:23:20,084 --> 00:23:24,045 jumping from host to host, and it was up to them to stop it. 606 00:23:32,596 --> 00:23:34,681 The legend of Malaphus is centuries old. 607 00:23:34,682 --> 00:23:37,892 The first mention we see of him is 1433's 608 00:23:37,893 --> 00:23:40,103 "Lesser Grimoire of Solomon" 609 00:23:40,104 --> 00:23:43,690 by Slovenian inquisitor Terentius Bruma, 610 00:23:43,691 --> 00:23:47,819 a reference text of demons and their attributes. 611 00:23:47,820 --> 00:23:49,946 - Gnarly. - Right? 612 00:23:49,947 --> 00:23:52,949 He's also known as the Deceiver, the Infestor, 613 00:23:52,950 --> 00:23:55,535 and Demon of 300 days. Why? 614 00:23:55,536 --> 00:23:57,871 Once summoned to Earth, Malaphus won't rest 615 00:23:57,872 --> 00:23:59,664 until he finds a human host. 616 00:23:59,665 --> 00:24:02,584 After possession begins, he incubates 617 00:24:02,585 --> 00:24:04,794 300 days. 618 00:24:04,795 --> 00:24:06,337 What happens after 300 days? 619 00:24:06,338 --> 00:24:08,131 He reaches full strength, 620 00:24:08,132 --> 00:24:11,426 and his power becomes uncontainable. 621 00:24:11,427 --> 00:24:12,803 Uh-oh. 622 00:24:14,180 --> 00:24:16,431 Um, if Malaphus was summoned to Earth, 623 00:24:16,432 --> 00:24:18,057 how would one stop him? 624 00:24:18,058 --> 00:24:21,436 Bruma suggests killing the host might slow Malaphus down, 625 00:24:21,437 --> 00:24:25,148 forcing him to regenerate before he can find a new host, 626 00:24:25,149 --> 00:24:27,942 a process that also can be slowed 627 00:24:27,943 --> 00:24:30,445 by the use of copper. 628 00:24:30,446 --> 00:24:33,114 - It was the pennies. - The pennies. 629 00:24:33,115 --> 00:24:34,657 It all came back to the pennies. 630 00:24:34,658 --> 00:24:38,244 Before 1984, U.S. pennies were 95% copper. 631 00:24:38,245 --> 00:24:40,789 So the copper in the pennies was meant to bind the demon, 632 00:24:40,790 --> 00:24:42,123 but what about the 1930 part? 633 00:24:42,124 --> 00:24:44,960 Uh, are you familiar with numerology? 634 00:24:46,504 --> 00:24:49,214 Some ancient peoples... and Taylor Swift... 635 00:24:49,215 --> 00:24:52,217 believed there was a mystical connection 636 00:24:52,218 --> 00:24:55,011 between letters and numbers. 637 00:24:55,012 --> 00:24:57,180 Using the Chaldean method, the name Malaphus 638 00:24:57,181 --> 00:24:59,265 becomes a digit, 1930. 639 00:24:59,266 --> 00:25:01,809 - So you're saying... - We had a theory. 640 00:25:01,810 --> 00:25:04,437 Whoever killed those people believed the victims 641 00:25:04,438 --> 00:25:06,606 were possessed by Malaphus. 642 00:25:06,607 --> 00:25:10,360 They had to reach Malaphus's host before 643 00:25:10,361 --> 00:25:11,808 he reached his true form. 644 00:25:11,833 --> 00:25:13,571 A 1930 penny was the perfect tool. 645 00:25:13,572 --> 00:25:16,157 Yeah, Rich's talk of, "it's inside me, 646 00:25:16,158 --> 00:25:18,493 it won't let me die," he thought he was infested 647 00:25:18,494 --> 00:25:19,911 by this demon, too, 648 00:25:19,912 --> 00:25:21,454 and that's why he killed himself. 649 00:25:21,455 --> 00:25:22,956 Wait. 650 00:25:22,957 --> 00:25:24,374 I thought Rich didn't believe in Malaphus. 651 00:25:24,375 --> 00:25:26,668 Isn't that why he was trying to stop the cult? 652 00:25:26,669 --> 00:25:28,920 Well, yes, but, I mean, years of obsession and paranoia 653 00:25:28,921 --> 00:25:30,880 can do a number on a person's psyche. 654 00:25:30,881 --> 00:25:32,006 I mean, it seems as though, in the end, 655 00:25:32,007 --> 00:25:33,675 Rich could no longer distinguish 656 00:25:33,676 --> 00:25:35,301 fantasy from reality. 657 00:25:35,302 --> 00:25:37,053 And you got this theory from Rich's files? 658 00:25:37,054 --> 00:25:39,097 Well, I mean, we actually got it from Lopez. 659 00:25:39,098 --> 00:25:41,683 And they say watching old horror movies 660 00:25:41,684 --> 00:25:43,977 isn't a good use of time. 661 00:25:43,978 --> 00:25:46,229 I never said that. 662 00:25:53,445 --> 00:25:55,655 Are we safe, brother? 663 00:25:55,656 --> 00:25:57,657 Is Malaphus banished? 664 00:25:57,658 --> 00:25:59,409 His sigil is drawn. 665 00:25:59,410 --> 00:26:01,327 The rite is spoken. 666 00:26:01,328 --> 00:26:05,331 We have sealed his last human vessel with copper. 667 00:26:11,755 --> 00:26:13,548 Heaven forgive us. 668 00:26:13,549 --> 00:26:15,508 Indeed. 669 00:26:15,509 --> 00:26:17,552 For hell will not. 670 00:26:18,721 --> 00:26:20,930 Midnight, 671 00:26:20,931 --> 00:26:23,975 the 300th day. 672 00:26:23,976 --> 00:26:26,603 Our task was done none too soon. 673 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:54,924 Yeah, that was me. 674 00:26:57,301 --> 00:26:59,093 - Do you guys want a glass? - No, I'm good. 675 00:26:59,094 --> 00:27:01,596 Oh, you got anything stronger? 676 00:27:01,597 --> 00:27:04,140 Fine. I'll just take a glass. 677 00:27:04,141 --> 00:27:06,184 OK, I'll, just... I'll have nothing, actually. 678 00:27:06,185 --> 00:27:07,977 No fun for me. 679 00:27:07,978 --> 00:27:11,773 Yeah, that was my first big movie role. 680 00:27:11,774 --> 00:27:15,443 Well, my only one, really. 681 00:27:15,444 --> 00:27:18,321 Rich was so excited when I told him I booked it. 682 00:27:18,322 --> 00:27:20,281 He helped me run lines. 683 00:27:20,282 --> 00:27:21,866 Did Rich buy in to the Malaphus mythology? 684 00:27:21,867 --> 00:27:23,534 No. 685 00:27:23,535 --> 00:27:25,536 Weirdly, given all the conspiracies that Rich 686 00:27:25,537 --> 00:27:28,706 believed in, he was a total atheist. 687 00:27:28,707 --> 00:27:30,625 But I wouldn't have blamed him after everything 688 00:27:30,626 --> 00:27:32,168 that happened on that shoot. 689 00:27:32,169 --> 00:27:33,879 Like what? 690 00:27:35,172 --> 00:27:37,090 Before production wrapped, 691 00:27:37,091 --> 00:27:39,092 the DP was paralyzed driving to set. 692 00:27:39,093 --> 00:27:41,636 A stunt person had his leg amputated. 693 00:27:41,637 --> 00:27:43,513 There were divorces, bankruptcies. 694 00:27:43,514 --> 00:27:45,056 Careers ended. 695 00:27:45,057 --> 00:27:49,102 One of the actors even died in his hotel room. 696 00:27:49,103 --> 00:27:51,062 People say the production was cursed. 697 00:27:51,063 --> 00:27:53,481 What about you? What do you believe? 698 00:27:53,482 --> 00:27:57,777 I believe the real curse was the director. 699 00:27:57,778 --> 00:28:00,697 He was a reckless maniac that didn't know how to run a set. 700 00:28:00,698 --> 00:28:03,282 Cut. Cut! 701 00:28:03,283 --> 00:28:05,660 Arthur! Arthur! 702 00:28:05,661 --> 00:28:09,539 Your strangulation, it has to be real. 703 00:28:09,540 --> 00:28:11,708 I wanna feel the life draining from him. 704 00:28:11,709 --> 00:28:15,420 You, you... you cannot move from your position, 705 00:28:15,421 --> 00:28:17,130 Not even an inch. 706 00:28:17,131 --> 00:28:21,384 Guys, this ritual is extremely specific. 707 00:28:21,385 --> 00:28:23,469 OK? Let's go again. 708 00:28:23,470 --> 00:28:25,054 OK, I thought I was choking you pretty well. 709 00:28:25,055 --> 00:28:26,228 I'm sorry. 710 00:28:26,253 --> 00:28:27,348 OK, I'm gonna choke you a little harder. 711 00:28:27,349 --> 00:28:29,142 Ready? 712 00:28:29,143 --> 00:28:31,144 Douglas was real touchy about the religious stuff. 713 00:28:31,145 --> 00:28:33,438 I guess he had grown up in some sort of commune, 714 00:28:33,439 --> 00:28:36,357 and this was all based on stories he was told growing up. 715 00:28:36,358 --> 00:28:38,776 OK, but what I heard is that they accidentally 716 00:28:38,777 --> 00:28:40,695 summoned Malaphus for real. 717 00:28:40,696 --> 00:28:42,405 The director found some ancient tome 718 00:28:42,406 --> 00:28:45,783 and inserted the incantation and rituals verbatim. 719 00:28:45,784 --> 00:28:47,160 Ooh, I love that. 720 00:28:47,161 --> 00:28:48,661 And that's what got me thinking 721 00:28:48,662 --> 00:28:50,371 about the penny killings. 722 00:28:50,372 --> 00:28:53,291 We found the first victim just a little under 300 days 723 00:28:53,292 --> 00:28:55,334 after the summoning ritual was filmed. 724 00:28:55,335 --> 00:28:57,628 We knew Rich was aware of the Malaphus legends. 725 00:28:57,629 --> 00:28:59,547 It was only natural to link them. 726 00:28:59,548 --> 00:29:01,674 So Rich thought the penny victims were killed by people 727 00:29:01,675 --> 00:29:03,468 trying to stop Malaphus. 728 00:29:03,469 --> 00:29:05,762 Was he able to identify any of these killers? 729 00:29:05,763 --> 00:29:06,972 We know he tried. 730 00:29:08,348 --> 00:29:10,016 - Hi. - Hey. How are you? 731 00:29:10,017 --> 00:29:12,393 - Jared. - Hello. Wow. 732 00:29:12,394 --> 00:29:15,021 Um, it's a... it's a pleasure to meet you, gentlemen. 733 00:29:15,022 --> 00:29:16,439 Pleasure to meet you too. 734 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:17,940 Why don't you tell us about yourselves? 735 00:29:17,941 --> 00:29:22,570 Yeah, we, uh, co-starred on a TV show together 736 00:29:22,571 --> 00:29:24,947 for 15 seasons 737 00:29:24,948 --> 00:29:26,699 called "Supernatural." 738 00:29:26,700 --> 00:29:28,868 Yeah, we played Sam and Dean Winchester, 739 00:29:28,869 --> 00:29:32,705 brothers that, you know, tracked and fought 740 00:29:32,706 --> 00:29:34,665 supernatural beings. 741 00:29:34,666 --> 00:29:36,334 - Like "K-Pop Demon Hunters." - No. 742 00:29:36,335 --> 00:29:37,627 No, not like that. 743 00:29:37,628 --> 00:29:39,462 I mean, kind of like that. 744 00:29:39,463 --> 00:29:40,671 - No. - Yeah. 745 00:29:40,672 --> 00:29:43,007 OK, can you tell us about your encounter 746 00:29:43,008 --> 00:29:44,801 - with Rich Rowley? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. 747 00:29:44,802 --> 00:29:46,511 Rich Rowley. 748 00:29:46,512 --> 00:29:51,182 He came to a fan event we did last year at MonsterCon. 749 00:29:51,183 --> 00:29:52,642 Yeah, you know, most people show up, 750 00:29:52,643 --> 00:29:56,854 and they just want an autograph or a photo. 751 00:29:56,855 --> 00:30:00,441 But Rich was a bit of a different beast altogether. 752 00:30:00,442 --> 00:30:02,652 Yeah, yeah, he was... he was super 753 00:30:02,653 --> 00:30:04,821 fixated on this one particular episode 754 00:30:04,822 --> 00:30:07,198 - where we fought a demon. - Malaphus. 755 00:30:07,199 --> 00:30:09,367 Yeah, uh, that one. 756 00:30:09,368 --> 00:30:13,913 Anyway he seemed to think we, like, knew more 757 00:30:13,914 --> 00:30:15,535 about it than we were saying. 758 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:16,597 More about what? 759 00:30:16,622 --> 00:30:18,376 Demon hunting. 760 00:30:18,377 --> 00:30:21,462 He kept, like, asking these super pointed questions, 761 00:30:21,463 --> 00:30:23,673 like... like he was, I don't know, 762 00:30:23,674 --> 00:30:24,841 testing us or something. 763 00:30:24,842 --> 00:30:27,051 - Did you have an answer? - No. 764 00:30:27,052 --> 00:30:28,344 No, I mean, we didn't... 765 00:30:28,345 --> 00:30:29,971 we didn't come up with these stories. 766 00:30:29,972 --> 00:30:31,639 You know, we just did what the writers wrote. 767 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:33,182 It's called acting. 768 00:30:33,183 --> 00:30:35,393 There's no actual demon hunters in real life. 769 00:30:35,394 --> 00:30:36,561 Exactly. 770 00:30:36,562 --> 00:30:38,479 Uh, that's not exactly true. 771 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,648 There is at least one. 772 00:30:40,649 --> 00:30:44,485 And it actually connected to the movie. 773 00:30:44,486 --> 00:30:46,445 We heard the director brought a priest named 774 00:30:46,446 --> 00:30:48,489 Father Simon McCabe to bless the set 775 00:30:48,490 --> 00:30:49,824 every day before filming. 776 00:30:49,825 --> 00:30:51,450 Well, it was either that or the whole crew 777 00:30:51,451 --> 00:30:53,035 was going to walk. 778 00:30:53,036 --> 00:30:56,164 Does that name mean anything to you? 779 00:30:56,165 --> 00:30:57,582 About 15 years ago. 780 00:30:57,583 --> 00:31:00,042 Lopez and I had just finished our rookie years. 781 00:31:00,043 --> 00:31:02,378 We responded to a call at a house. 782 00:31:02,379 --> 00:31:04,922 Priest doing an exorcism with a 16-year-old girl. 783 00:31:04,923 --> 00:31:06,048 Had been going on for three days. 784 00:31:06,049 --> 00:31:08,885 Father, no. 785 00:31:08,886 --> 00:31:11,637 Police! 786 00:31:11,638 --> 00:31:13,264 Help her! 787 00:31:13,265 --> 00:31:15,474 Please! 788 00:31:20,898 --> 00:31:24,275 Get away from her! 789 00:31:24,276 --> 00:31:28,029 Father, forgive me. 790 00:31:35,140 --> 00:31:37,214 Did you feel like you'd seen the devil? 791 00:31:37,239 --> 00:31:38,748 The only thing in that room that belonged in hell 792 00:31:38,749 --> 00:31:41,918 - was Father Simon. - He kept saying he had to. 793 00:31:41,919 --> 00:31:44,253 The whole way to the station, "I'm sorry, I had to. 794 00:31:44,254 --> 00:31:45,755 I'm sorry, I had to." 795 00:31:45,756 --> 00:31:47,632 Because he believed she was possessed? 796 00:31:47,633 --> 00:31:49,133 She had a brain tumor. 797 00:31:49,134 --> 00:31:51,677 That's what they found after the autopsy. 798 00:31:51,678 --> 00:31:53,721 She needed a doctor, not an exorcism. 799 00:31:53,722 --> 00:31:56,223 And he wasn't a man of God. He was a killer. 800 00:31:56,224 --> 00:31:57,934 The courts agreed. 801 00:31:57,935 --> 00:32:00,853 So Father Simon was convicted of first-degree murder. 802 00:32:00,854 --> 00:32:03,314 When we processed him, we found a penny in his pocket. 803 00:32:03,315 --> 00:32:04,899 Nothing else, just a penny. 804 00:32:04,900 --> 00:32:06,233 It didn't mean anything at the time, 805 00:32:06,234 --> 00:32:08,277 but after Rich connected those seven murders, 806 00:32:08,278 --> 00:32:10,196 it seemed likely he was involved. 807 00:32:10,197 --> 00:32:12,114 Involved like, he killed them? 808 00:32:12,115 --> 00:32:14,617 No, Simon was already in prison when five 809 00:32:14,618 --> 00:32:17,078 of the murders took place, and his DNA didn't match 810 00:32:17,079 --> 00:32:19,121 any that was found on the corpses. 811 00:32:19,122 --> 00:32:21,290 But he could have been part of whatever group 812 00:32:21,291 --> 00:32:23,167 Rich was so afraid of. 813 00:32:23,168 --> 00:32:25,419 Which means he knew more than he had told us. 814 00:32:25,420 --> 00:32:27,797 So we had to go back. 815 00:32:27,798 --> 00:32:30,591 Officers, I remember you. 816 00:32:30,592 --> 00:32:32,426 You... you were the ones who tried to stop the ritual. 817 00:32:32,427 --> 00:32:34,178 Just wish we would have gotten here sooner. 818 00:32:34,179 --> 00:32:35,721 Becca Scott might still be alive. 819 00:32:35,722 --> 00:32:38,182 Oh, she was long gone before you arrived. 820 00:32:38,183 --> 00:32:40,601 - The demon saw to that. - Malaphus? 821 00:32:40,602 --> 00:32:42,186 Shh. 822 00:32:42,187 --> 00:32:44,480 Do not say its name in my presence. 823 00:32:44,481 --> 00:32:47,400 What, are you afraid we might accidentally summon it? 824 00:32:47,401 --> 00:32:50,111 You may scorn me and my beliefs, 825 00:32:50,112 --> 00:32:51,988 but I have fought this evil. 826 00:32:51,989 --> 00:32:54,156 I know enough to fear its power. 827 00:32:54,157 --> 00:32:56,701 What's more evil than murdering a child? 828 00:32:56,702 --> 00:32:59,161 I took no pleasure in the act. 829 00:32:59,162 --> 00:33:00,871 I'm grateful I had the courage to do what was necessary. 830 00:33:00,872 --> 00:33:02,456 Courage? 831 00:33:02,457 --> 00:33:05,042 Tell us about the penny that was in your pocket. 832 00:33:05,043 --> 00:33:07,044 In the movie "300 Days of Hell", 833 00:33:07,045 --> 00:33:09,130 Malaphus is sealed inside his host with copper 834 00:33:09,131 --> 00:33:10,840 before he can be killed... 835 00:33:10,841 --> 00:33:12,925 Uh, banished, not killed. 836 00:33:12,926 --> 00:33:14,677 What's the difference? 837 00:33:14,678 --> 00:33:17,847 The demon is a parasite. 838 00:33:17,848 --> 00:33:19,390 It needs a host. 839 00:33:19,391 --> 00:33:21,183 Once you kill the body that inhabits it, 840 00:33:21,184 --> 00:33:23,019 it'll find a new one. 841 00:33:23,020 --> 00:33:26,856 Becca Scott was just a single battle in a larger war. 842 00:33:26,857 --> 00:33:31,193 If you're in here, who's doing the fighting now? 843 00:33:31,194 --> 00:33:33,487 The Knights of Avila. 844 00:33:33,488 --> 00:33:35,489 Los Angeles has a long history 845 00:33:35,490 --> 00:33:38,075 of spiritualism, esoteric religions 846 00:33:38,076 --> 00:33:39,660 that go back over 100 years. 847 00:33:39,661 --> 00:33:42,538 So think Aleister Crowley, Jack Parsons, 848 00:33:42,539 --> 00:33:44,540 - L. Ron Hubbard. - He freaking loves this stuff. 849 00:33:44,541 --> 00:33:46,125 I do. 850 00:33:46,126 --> 00:33:48,085 Anyway, a lot of these groups started out 851 00:33:48,086 --> 00:33:50,796 as fraternal orders, similar to the Freemasons, 852 00:33:50,797 --> 00:33:52,757 where people would gather and... and... share... 853 00:33:52,758 --> 00:33:54,050 - Men. - Well, yeah. 854 00:33:54,051 --> 00:33:56,510 Yes, and... and some women. 855 00:33:56,511 --> 00:33:59,638 And they would share new ideas, explore philosophies. 856 00:33:59,639 --> 00:34:02,725 They also liked partying, doing drugs, 857 00:34:02,726 --> 00:34:05,311 and performing weird sex rituals. 858 00:34:05,312 --> 00:34:07,938 Sign me up. 859 00:34:07,939 --> 00:34:11,316 For the intellectual exchanging of ideas, obviously. 860 00:34:11,317 --> 00:34:12,735 So the Knights of Avila is one of these groups? 861 00:34:12,736 --> 00:34:14,487 It was. 862 00:34:14,488 --> 00:34:16,113 Like a lot of the similar organizations at the time, 863 00:34:16,114 --> 00:34:17,656 it fell apart when the founder died. 864 00:34:17,657 --> 00:34:18,740 It hasn't been active in... 865 00:34:18,741 --> 00:34:20,450 60 years? 866 00:34:20,451 --> 00:34:22,370 Then what was Father Simon talking about? 867 00:34:22,371 --> 00:34:25,372 Based on Tim and Lopez's conversation with Father Simon, 868 00:34:25,373 --> 00:34:27,208 we began to believe that the group, 869 00:34:27,209 --> 00:34:29,668 or at least the name, 870 00:34:29,669 --> 00:34:32,171 had been revived sometime in the late '90s 871 00:34:32,172 --> 00:34:35,048 to the early 2000s and re-branded 872 00:34:35,049 --> 00:34:37,968 as some kind of demon hunting cult. 873 00:34:37,969 --> 00:34:40,304 So Rich was actually right. 874 00:34:40,305 --> 00:34:42,473 There was a murderous cabal after him. 875 00:34:42,474 --> 00:34:43,765 It seemed that way, 876 00:34:43,766 --> 00:34:45,892 and we were getting close 877 00:34:45,893 --> 00:34:48,104 to discovering who their ringleader was. 878 00:34:48,105 --> 00:34:51,023 I found him. 879 00:34:51,024 --> 00:34:53,275 - Found who? - Doug Roberts. 880 00:34:53,276 --> 00:34:55,319 I wanna feel the life draining from him! 881 00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:56,946 Oh, you mean the director of the sad little demon porn? 882 00:34:56,947 --> 00:34:58,322 Where? 883 00:34:58,323 --> 00:34:59,907 I was going through some old industry trades 884 00:34:59,908 --> 00:35:02,451 from around the time "THDOH" was slated to come out. 885 00:35:02,452 --> 00:35:04,662 One of the articles mentioned that Roberts 886 00:35:04,663 --> 00:35:05,830 was a client of Stewart Winecliff 887 00:35:05,831 --> 00:35:07,456 at the Golden Talent Agency. 888 00:35:07,457 --> 00:35:09,083 The guy hasn't made a movie in 26 years. 889 00:35:09,084 --> 00:35:10,376 I doubt they still rep him. 890 00:35:10,377 --> 00:35:12,336 Not actively, no. 891 00:35:12,337 --> 00:35:14,213 But I called their offices, and I bribed... 892 00:35:14,214 --> 00:35:16,382 or like, I talked one of the assistants into giving me 893 00:35:16,383 --> 00:35:18,092 the address where his residual checks are sent. 894 00:35:18,093 --> 00:35:19,677 It's downtown. Let's go. 895 00:35:19,678 --> 00:35:21,387 Uh, hold on. 896 00:35:21,388 --> 00:35:22,847 You just wanna go doorstep the guy? 897 00:35:22,848 --> 00:35:24,098 If that means go knock on a door 898 00:35:24,099 --> 00:35:25,724 while also filming, then yes. 899 00:35:25,725 --> 00:35:27,935 Yeah, I'm not in the business of gotcha journalism. 900 00:35:27,936 --> 00:35:31,021 What about the business of making that paper? 901 00:35:31,022 --> 00:35:32,523 The guap? 902 00:35:32,524 --> 00:35:34,400 Money, guy. 903 00:35:34,401 --> 00:35:36,652 Come on, the doc business is over-saturated these days. 904 00:35:36,653 --> 00:35:39,196 We need footage that P-O-Ps, 905 00:35:39,197 --> 00:35:40,656 and what pops more than blindsiding 906 00:35:40,657 --> 00:35:43,159 a potential cult leader? 907 00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:44,201 Come on. 908 00:35:44,202 --> 00:35:45,828 What's the worst that could happen? 909 00:35:47,372 --> 00:35:49,999 - This is it. - OK. 910 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:51,834 Um, here. Here's your camera. 911 00:35:51,835 --> 00:35:53,711 Um, I don't operate. 912 00:35:53,712 --> 00:35:54,795 Oh, well. 913 00:35:57,591 --> 00:36:01,135 Now, you do. 914 00:36:01,136 --> 00:36:03,429 Let's go. 915 00:36:03,430 --> 00:36:06,015 - What floor is it on? - Eight. 916 00:36:06,016 --> 00:36:08,434 But there's an elevator. Don't worry. 917 00:36:14,316 --> 00:36:17,485 - Are you sure it's that way? - Yep. 918 00:36:17,486 --> 00:36:19,111 Nope. 919 00:36:19,112 --> 00:36:22,531 You know, at the risk of being called a scaredy cat, 920 00:36:22,532 --> 00:36:24,533 you do understand that this is inherently 921 00:36:24,534 --> 00:36:27,077 neither a wise nor safe activity? 922 00:36:27,078 --> 00:36:29,288 You're asking a woman if she understands 923 00:36:29,289 --> 00:36:32,917 that it's inherently dangerous to go anywhere or do anything? 924 00:36:32,918 --> 00:36:35,794 When you put it that way, I sound like an ass. 925 00:36:35,795 --> 00:36:36,879 Yeah. 926 00:36:39,507 --> 00:36:41,050 Maybe we should come back? 927 00:36:41,051 --> 00:36:43,469 Hey. Hello. 928 00:36:43,470 --> 00:36:45,221 Douglas Roberts, we're here to question you 929 00:36:45,222 --> 00:36:47,431 about murders and demons. 930 00:36:47,432 --> 00:36:49,683 That should get his attention. 931 00:36:49,684 --> 00:36:51,310 Oh. 932 00:36:51,311 --> 00:36:53,688 I am just an intern. 933 00:36:57,374 --> 00:37:02,051 So clearly we're not deceased, which means... 934 00:37:02,076 --> 00:37:03,518 We saved you from certain death. 935 00:37:03,543 --> 00:37:04,939 I'm not sure how certain it was, right? 936 00:37:04,963 --> 00:37:06,784 Oh, it felt pretty certain to me. 937 00:37:06,785 --> 00:37:08,202 Please don't kill us. 938 00:37:08,203 --> 00:37:09,703 We will join your cult. Is there a membership fee 939 00:37:09,704 --> 00:37:11,330 or a secret handshake? 940 00:37:11,331 --> 00:37:12,581 - I love a secret handshake. - Ignore her. 941 00:37:12,582 --> 00:37:14,083 She's not right in the head. 942 00:37:14,084 --> 00:37:15,876 In fact, she has short-term memory issues. 943 00:37:15,877 --> 00:37:17,670 So if you let her go now, she won't remember any of this. 944 00:37:17,671 --> 00:37:19,463 Just shut up. No one's going anywhere. 945 00:37:19,464 --> 00:37:21,304 I mean, technically, we're all going somewhere. 946 00:37:25,303 --> 00:37:27,721 All right, let them go. Put your hands up. 947 00:37:27,722 --> 00:37:31,350 Up against the Jeep, now. Let's go. 948 00:37:36,147 --> 00:37:38,399 Oh, hey. 949 00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:40,985 Thanks for trying to save me, even though 950 00:37:40,986 --> 00:37:42,778 I'm the one who put us in danger. 951 00:37:42,779 --> 00:37:44,488 No problem. 952 00:37:44,489 --> 00:37:46,490 I was about to do the same thing, but you just 953 00:37:46,491 --> 00:37:48,033 beat me to it. 954 00:37:48,034 --> 00:37:50,244 - I can be noble, too. - No doubt. 955 00:37:50,245 --> 00:37:52,454 Uh, I get very claustrophobic. 956 00:37:52,455 --> 00:37:54,540 Can I just point out how claustrophobic I get, please? 957 00:37:54,541 --> 00:37:56,959 So when did you and Douglas meet? 958 00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:58,294 In the movie. 959 00:37:58,295 --> 00:38:02,047 He was, you know, so commanding and driven 960 00:38:02,048 --> 00:38:03,924 and everything I wasn't. 961 00:38:03,925 --> 00:38:06,093 When did he start talking about killing the demon? 962 00:38:06,094 --> 00:38:08,387 It was, uh, at least a year after that. 963 00:38:08,388 --> 00:38:11,056 He would call me late at night 964 00:38:11,057 --> 00:38:13,142 and talk about the demon and how scared 965 00:38:13,143 --> 00:38:14,685 he was for the world, 966 00:38:14,686 --> 00:38:17,313 and eventually it started to make sense. 967 00:38:17,314 --> 00:38:20,482 And he told you that someone was possessed? 968 00:38:20,483 --> 00:38:22,443 Correct. Her name was Cynthia. 969 00:38:22,444 --> 00:38:24,111 Um, 970 00:38:24,112 --> 00:38:26,989 she cried when I tied her up, and she kept saying 971 00:38:26,990 --> 00:38:29,408 that she was not a demon. 972 00:38:29,409 --> 00:38:31,202 She begged me to believe her, and... 973 00:38:35,415 --> 00:38:38,626 At that point, he was very deep in my head. 974 00:38:38,627 --> 00:38:41,045 And then tonight, you know, all the lies 975 00:38:41,046 --> 00:38:43,213 he was spewing at the end, 976 00:38:43,214 --> 00:38:45,049 it was like somebody turned on a light switch. 977 00:38:45,050 --> 00:38:47,676 I could just see him for who he was. 978 00:38:47,677 --> 00:38:49,262 So pathetic. 979 00:38:52,265 --> 00:38:54,809 We'll need you to write up a detailed confession. 980 00:38:59,522 --> 00:39:01,274 I would like to make a deal. 981 00:39:02,984 --> 00:39:05,569 Uh, we have already located your co-conspirators. 982 00:39:05,570 --> 00:39:08,739 You don't really have anything to offer. 983 00:39:08,740 --> 00:39:11,867 You don't want to know what an alien spaceship looks like? 984 00:39:13,536 --> 00:39:17,289 I am all that stands between the world 985 00:39:17,290 --> 00:39:18,874 and damnation. 986 00:39:18,875 --> 00:39:20,751 So all of the people that you had targeted, 987 00:39:20,752 --> 00:39:24,546 they had to die for the greater good? 988 00:39:24,547 --> 00:39:28,300 Yes, and my heart breaks for each of them. 989 00:39:28,301 --> 00:39:31,345 But I will not let innocents fall to perdition. 990 00:39:31,346 --> 00:39:33,472 OK, have you had your fill of BS? 991 00:39:33,473 --> 00:39:34,640 God, yes. 992 00:39:34,641 --> 00:39:35,724 OK, me, too. 993 00:39:35,725 --> 00:39:40,104 So, uh, first victim, Cynthia Green. 994 00:39:40,105 --> 00:39:42,356 You dated for two years before she cheated on you. 995 00:39:42,357 --> 00:39:45,317 Marcus Ford, he worked as a teamster on your movie, 996 00:39:45,318 --> 00:39:48,112 then later sued you for nonpayment. 997 00:39:48,113 --> 00:39:52,366 Pamela Jones wrote a scathing review of your movie. 998 00:39:52,367 --> 00:39:53,534 Really? I... 999 00:39:53,535 --> 00:39:55,619 I had no idea. 1000 00:39:55,620 --> 00:39:58,997 All seven victims were people who wronged you in some way. 1001 00:39:58,998 --> 00:40:00,874 You don't even believe in the demon. 1002 00:40:00,875 --> 00:40:02,918 You just used it as a tool to get people with weak minds 1003 00:40:02,919 --> 00:40:04,796 to do your dirty work for you. 1004 00:40:06,923 --> 00:40:08,716 Exactly. 1005 00:40:08,717 --> 00:40:10,342 I was the director. 1006 00:40:10,343 --> 00:40:12,636 I think you'll find I never laid a finger 1007 00:40:12,637 --> 00:40:14,471 on any of the victims. 1008 00:40:14,472 --> 00:40:17,933 And I think you will find that Manson died in prison. 1009 00:40:20,103 --> 00:40:21,645 All right. 1010 00:40:21,646 --> 00:40:23,147 Uh, anything else? 1011 00:40:23,148 --> 00:40:25,065 No, I think we got everything. 1012 00:40:25,066 --> 00:40:27,192 OK. 1013 00:40:27,193 --> 00:40:29,528 - That was a crazy one, huh? - Tell me about it. 1014 00:40:29,529 --> 00:40:31,697 And look, thanks so much for all of your time, 1015 00:40:31,698 --> 00:40:33,323 and for saving our lives. 1016 00:40:33,324 --> 00:40:34,867 Anything for my favorite documentarian. 1017 00:40:34,868 --> 00:40:36,160 Actually, the only documentarian I know. 1018 00:40:36,161 --> 00:40:37,244 Not true. 1019 00:40:37,245 --> 00:40:39,455 - I'm a documentarian too. - Of course. 1020 00:40:39,456 --> 00:40:42,332 Yes... oh, speaking of, how did this whole 1021 00:40:42,333 --> 00:40:44,334 working together thing go? 1022 00:40:44,335 --> 00:40:46,587 Is this the start of a beautiful friendship? 1023 00:40:46,588 --> 00:40:48,297 I don't know. 1024 00:40:48,298 --> 00:40:50,007 I mean, we have very different styles 1025 00:40:50,008 --> 00:40:52,509 and instincts and, well, basically everything, 1026 00:40:52,510 --> 00:40:54,971 but I'd be open to another collaboration. 1027 00:40:57,140 --> 00:41:00,225 Oh, um, it's just I... 1028 00:41:00,226 --> 00:41:03,353 I kind of signed an exclusive three-film deal with Hulu? 1029 00:41:03,354 --> 00:41:05,439 What? 1030 00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:07,191 Yeah, I... I sent them a sizzle reel of this project, 1031 00:41:07,192 --> 00:41:10,068 just the me parts, and they freaked. 1032 00:41:10,069 --> 00:41:11,778 Said I'm gonna be "the new face of true crime." 1033 00:41:11,779 --> 00:41:13,363 - Their words. - Wow. 1034 00:41:13,364 --> 00:41:15,741 I mean, you'd probably be able to bring him along, 1035 00:41:15,742 --> 00:41:16,784 though, right? 1036 00:41:16,785 --> 00:41:19,703 Oh, totally. Totally. 1037 00:41:21,581 --> 00:41:25,292 I gotta go, but thanks again. Hello. 1038 00:41:25,293 --> 00:41:27,961 No, I said Toronto and then Cannes. 1039 00:41:29,923 --> 00:41:31,924 She'll probably call you. 1040 00:41:31,925 --> 00:41:32,925 No. 1041 00:41:34,754 --> 00:41:40,015 sync and corrections awaqeded www.addic7ed.com 1042 00:42:11,130 --> 00:42:12,130 Damn it.